Polestar CEO Pushes for Software, Tesla Patents Wireless EV Charging, Autonomous AI Is Coming For Your Job

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Hey, good morning on a Monday, I

‍K‍yle Mountsier: 0:07

got Ben Hadley sitting next to me. We're talking about a few fun software things, like Paul star talking about it, Tesla talking about it, and autonomous AI doing its own thing.

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I go. The people really want to know who I is and who I be. They stop this day when they see me.

Kyle Mountsier: 0:25

Ben, last week, I had the most snafu moment that I've ever had on a podcast. It was wild. I started the intro music about a minute into the intro music, it was really sideways, like I came in remit so hot. It was like, it was like it was nuts.

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Wake everybody up. Let's go. Wait.

Kyle Mountsier: 0:46

Wake everyone up. Let's go. How you doing, man? Well, I mean, we kind

Ben Hadley: 0:51

of just tell you, I'm awesome. Look at this microphone. Okay. Do you know what it took? It took Daly tell you this. No, okay, I've been had this thing has been tilted like this forever. Oh,

Kyle Mountsier: 1:08

sideways, yeah. All you had to do is turn it the right way,

Ben Hadley: 1:12

bro. But why? Paul Daly and I have done one podcast together. He pauses me, you guys, Hey, bro, your your mic. You might not, it's not right now. What's going on? Like, I'm really surprised that you know you've known Kyle for a bazillion years. Use this mic for a bazillion years. He hasn't just stopped you and said, Hey, quarter turn, 45 degree turn to the left is gonna make I think, a magical difference how I talk to you

Kyle Mountsier: 1:46

way more often than Paul does, right? And so I think it just, you know, you just kind of

Ben Hadley: 1:51

like, oh, now I'm wasting left audio only for you, right? You

Kyle Mountsier: 1:55

just left little bit thin, right? And I'm like, oh, that's the way you're supposed to sound. And I'm like, that's crazy, man. We've been, we have been doing a bunch of pods. Speaking of a bunch of pods, we have been releasing these in the dirt episodes that we filmed at the name ad conference. Which one, if you haven't been to name ad, you gotta go. I think you gotta come with me. Next year, you gotta come. Yeah, two, the conversations that we got to have were unbelievable. MY CONVERSATION WITH subi Ghosh show others the possibilities. Is the title of it. Go to any podcast platform, search in the dirt with a so do you can't miss it. You gotta be there. Also, one more little housekeeping note on the 12th. That's This Week on on a Thursday, I think we have an asotu Edge Quick Shot webinar with Beth Caro of the national independent vehicle title agents and Eric Calderon of the ma da just talking about, like, what's the CSI that has to do with the title department, and how can they not get held back so much from doing their job so that customers cannot be mad and call in asking where the titles are one

Ben Hadley: 3:07

day, I'll comment on my rivian experience, which is 100% to do with dude. Come on. They're they're slacking. Dealers, too long, didn't read. Don't worry about it. You're good. You're good, we're gonna

Kyle Mountsier: 3:21

be okay.

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You're good. All right, let's

Kyle Mountsier: 3:26

get into it today. The Polestar CEO Thomas England, laugh. There you go. That's a word. That's a last name for you. Believes the transition to software defined vehicles, or sdvs, as he calls them, represents a major leap forward in automate automotive innovation, he stresses the sdvs are not just a buzzword, but an essential shift as software takes a central role in shaping vehicle performance and user experience, particularly in a vehicle like polestars Electric lineup, he sees enormous potential in these vehicles to connect features like How they drive, accelerate, manage energy systems. One of the delays actually in the polestar three is because of the software complexity, similar to the Volvo's ex 90, which experience similar issues, their sales goals have been impacted by delays. However, we are seeing that this software defined vehicle has not just come to polestars. Audi recently has created a management role particularly dedicated to what they're calling an SDV, or a software defined vehicle. Inglenath said that is how much of an impact software has it changes the physical behavior of a car. So software first, instead of function first, it looks like it's coming to vehicles a lot faster than maybe somewhere expecting your

Ben Hadley: 4:51

home. There's a sort of an irony, right, of like we've had, never had cars be faster ever, you know, than ever. Or before, but then, meanwhile, the slowest part about them is the software. Like software used to be the fastest thing, you know, now it's software slowing us down. That's just odd to me. It seems very weird, like this is a little bit of the software eats hardware, AI eats software conundrum, and then mixed with, as things get more efficient, things get more fragile, and so you screw up a little bit of code, you screw up the whole thing.

Kyle Mountsier: 5:33

Well, yeah, you think of the fragility that we experience with just a few weeks ago, and with Microsoft stuff just going down across the world, especially with enterprise type brands, right? With CrowdStrike,

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little update, Oh my bad, you know, yeah.

Kyle Mountsier: 5:51

And you think about software defined vehicles, autonomous driving, things like that, like the code standards that have to come with this. But also, you know, the and Paul and I have been talking about this, you and I have been talking about this for a while, is that software and vehicles was historically kind of an afterthought, right as we got into like, 2005 2006 you started seeing, like, Bluetooth being the first real software that was being exposed outside of, you know, The vehicles actual function where being supposed to engage in maps, right? Or late 90s, yeah, maps and early navigation. And now you look at these vehicles, and they really are technology on wheels. We ran a story about Qualcomm a couple weeks ago, and just their business booming, particularly because of automotive and I keep pretending that consumers are going to start asking the same question that they are of their phones, which is which chip is in this phone? It's which chips are in this vehicle. What's the processing power of it, and how can I connect, manipulate, manage my vehicle software with my phone or with an alternate device?

Ben Hadley: 7:01

Yeah, that's all over again. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

Kyle Mountsier: 7:07

Speaking of technology, oh, the

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AI checked

Kyle Mountsier: 7:12

in there. Well, Tesla is continuing to advance a wireless home EV charging through new patent applications that we're seeing out there. Tesla's wireless charging aims to remove the need to manually plug in your car, convenience that aligns with its goal of autonomous driving. Wireless Charging has historically been less efficient than cable based options, but new methods such as magnetic resonance claims, similar efficiency patents are revealing that Tesla's focus on solving technical challenge like ground leakage and temperature management are something that they're working on to improve efficiency. Chief Designer Franz von holzhausen confirmed work on a wireless charging pad with possible applications for the cyber truck and other models. Wireless charging on a pad at your home.

Ben Hadley: 7:59

Well, there's no way. It's as efficient as plugging it in, right? There's no way. But doesn't matter. This is what I think I love. I got this little you know, I switched to Apple from Android, and what's that thing? Standby mode. You go sideways. No. Magnetic. Go sideways. Yeah. So good. The convenience of standby mode far outweighs the inefficiency of the charging right? I know I'm getting a slower trickle of electricity to charge that battery, but all I do is and I think what you're seeing here is how consumers will trade the exact same thing, right? I would rather have, I'd rather have an insanely convenient experience at the sacrifice of efficiency, pull

Kyle Mountsier: 8:56

in, get out of my car and go in the house, just like I always have,

Ben Hadley: 9:00

right? Exactly. Yeah. No thinking. Thank you. No

Kyle Mountsier: 9:03

thing that's That's exactly it. You know, the obviously, like wireless charging for phones is something that we've been doing for a while, but you get a charger to phone contact, and that's something that you wouldn't get with the vehicle unless there was some kind of mechanism to bring it up to the vehicle, which they're not doing. So this is, it's kind of a really interesting like, why? Also you look at the requirement for install on something like that, I just can't imagine that it's going to get to any sort of price parity anytime soon.

Ben Hadley: 9:36

Oh, true, yeah. I mean, it better be like roll a rug, like a rubber mat,

Kyle Mountsier: 9:45

yeah, plug that joker in. You just take that thing with you. Roll it up, put it in the back.

Ben Hadley: 9:53

We'll ship it in two days. You know how pissed UPS drivers are going to be?

Kyle Mountsier: 9:57

Oh my gosh, I'm lugging around. I'm. I hate that's amazing. Oh, speaking of jobs that just can't get taken over segway, okay, okay, that one was a stretch, but researchers at stores have developed Smallville, a game inside of another game featuring AI driven agents that autonomously, autonomously perform tasks. These agents are powered by large language models, and demonstrate why autonomous AI will become essential for organizations. This is some conversation we've been having a lot over the last month, but this, this was reported middle of the summer, but we hadn't talked about it AI agents in Smallville can remember plan and act independently, showcasing their potential to handle tasks like event planning without human input. These AGI AI agents are kind of able to become team members working in and amongst each other. Rakesh malorta from EY or Ernest and young emphasizes the most valuable AI agents aren't necessarily smartest, but with the best access to relevant data. The agent knows the most about me. The agent that knows the most about me doesn't have to have my personal data, but also my current context. So they're really trying to leverage like the context plus the data. Is it enough to kind of perform these tasks autonomously inside kind of like gamification setting?

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I think, yeah,

Kyle Mountsier: 11:37

Ben, you've recreated yourself as an AI. How's that going? Let's just like, go back to that real

Ben Hadley: 11:42

quick. Ben hadley.com/ai, if you ever want to chat to my clone. Yeah. I mean, it went, it's gone pretty well. I do use it at least once a week. Hey, how would I respond to this? Like, when I want to turn off my brain or my I'm just like, exhausted. I'll take, like, a email or something, throw it at me, like, what would I say? And then 85% right? I would say a little bit of modification here and there, but I think that's the 85% that this is either going to be awesome, okay, we either need to go for 100% accuracy. 100% this is exactly what Ben would think. Or I actually think there's a reason that 85% is also the goal, because there's sort of like a, you know, some of the best ideas happen when you are in the shower, or you're like at a bar with some friends, or, or, or, or they don't happen. Yeah, yeah. And so there's this sort of like, I almost think we might look back on this period of time and find that the hallucinations that these AI bots have are actually a good thing and that we're not. We shouldn't optimize them out that actually that is, like, creativity, where we just look at it as, Hey, that's not what I wanted you to say, but eventually it will become like, oh, that's actually kind of a creative approach to, like, solving the same problem. So I'm not sure where it's all gonna go, but I do think, like, we're not, I mean, that clone isn't as useful as I'd hoped. It would be sure, there's a lot of effort to make it, and it's not as useful as I hoped. Yeah, yeah, well, I

Kyle Mountsier: 13:33

and also not just that, but like, this is a, you know, a lot of what they've done in this, in this game, within the Sims, in the Smallville world, is kind of like load it with story of origin context, like, what do you think? What do you believe? What do you know? And that is such a complex matrix that, like, also includes how your parents treated you at age one and a half, right? That informs your decision making matrix at age 30 or 40 or 50, or how you responded to a fight or flight incident, right? These are things that are not data driven, experiences that drive how you think in the shower, or how you how your complex dreams interact with each other and kind of like mix up your reality yet provide you with potential impetus, right? These are things that I think, I think you're right, that if we can learn how to utilize AI at kind of a 75 to 85% of the optimization goal, and know that we always have to fill the 15 to 25% gap, it'll actually make us stronger. It'll get us even more creatively thinking. So,

Ben Hadley: 14:43

yeah, well, I mean, if anybody wants a chat GPT prompt or a word that helps chat GPT sort of behave this way, the word is bicameral, bicameral thinking, which is sort of like having two. Hemispheres of your brain, left side, right side, chat with each other. So if you go to chatgpt and you're like, Hey, I'd like a bicameral response to this logic, then basically what it will do is be like, well, the creative side of me would say this, but the logical side with me would say this, and then it'll like, work through a dialog, and you can kind of get, like, a little bit of an agent e experience, hashtag bicameral. Remember that word

Kyle Mountsier: 15:30

hashtag bicameral? You didn't know you were coming for that today, but you're always gonna get surprised with something from the man myth, the legend Ben Hadley, and as Brian Ortega said, his AI clone will never be as ham as him. Hey, this industry is a full bunch of humans serving. Go. Serve today. You.

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